Year of Silence

[Rapsey]

Thank you for your kind words everyone!

Hope there's some sort of dead man's switch or something that would keep the dream alive! Or a pre-conceived agreement. I know Zanaris will be community splitting, and that some folks have plans to make a PkHonor community Zanaris server. I was wondering if that/other pkhonor servers are permitted to be embraced on here. I think that would be good for the longevity of the community and thus the server, but I can understand if there's some liability in allowing the communities to mingle. Either way, I think it can be a good thing for our communities to be able to interact or even bear relation.

There's no dead man's switch, but I don't think we need one seeing as this is not the kind of thing that would involve being arrested all of a sudden. The odds of both of us dying at the same time are also astronomical, especially now that we don't meet IRL anymore. We used to jokingly refer to this as "the bus factor" (as in, both of us could get hit by a bus while walking the street together). As for a pre-conceived agreement, we've spoken about it in the past and we were both adamant that we should pass it on rather than shutting it down. So nothing concrete but we are on the same page.

I don't think Project Zanaris will really be a replacement that makes RSPS obsolete. Customization will be far too limited for that, along with other limitations. I believe we should embrace it and place no restrictions on the discussion and advertisement of such servers. PkHonor is a community more than it is a game. Prohibiting the advertisement of other RSPS made sense to keep that community together, but when it comes to Zanaris I think that goal will be better served by allowing it. Perhaps our existing platform can serve as a hub for various community servers undertaken by our members. I only hope that none of them will get on Jagex' bad side for having any affiliation with PkHonor.

[Patel]

There's no dead man's switch, but I don't think we need one seeing as this is not the kind of thing that would involve being arrested all of a sudden. The odds of both of us dying at the same time are also astronomical, especially now that we don't meet IRL anymore. We used to jokingly refer to this as "the bus factor" (as in, both of us could get hit by a bus while walking the street together). As for a pre-conceived agreement, we've spoken about it in the past and we were both adamant that we should pass it on rather than shutting it down. So nothing concrete but we are on the same page.

I don't think Project Zanaris will really be a replacement that makes RSPS obsolete. Customization will be far too limited for that, along with other limitations. I believe we should embrace it and place no restrictions on the discussion and advertisement of such servers. PkHonor is a community more than it is a game. Prohibiting the advertisement of other RSPS made sense to keep that community together, but when it comes to Zanaris I think that goal will be better served by allowing it. Perhaps our existing platform can serve as a hub for various community servers undertaken by our members. I only hope that none of them will get on Jagex' bad side for having any affiliation with PkHonor.

Agreed with all said, I didn't literally mean if you guys died (though I guess that's where the term comes from haha). Too many people are anchored to this place for the broader community to die as long as there's a place for people to call home. Who knows, maybe we become a hub/toplist for PkHonor communities

[Wir3d]

Thanks for the much needed communication to the community, by no means was it easy to do so I commend you on that.

Wish you the best in your future endeavors and keeping your mind open to all possibilities for the future of this server. Things tend to get worse before they can get better so wishing you and mike the best in finding some peace in your life.

The players are here to stay, old or new the server will keep going on regardless of the player counts we see currently today.

[Kylo ren]

Sorry to hear that 2024 was a bad year for you. I truly hope your 2025 is much better. Definitely prioritize yourself, your personal life, interpersonal relationships, and make time to get some sort of exercise in, even if it’s just a quick 30 minute walk or something. It helps a ton even though you might not realize it.

Always here for you if you need someone to talk to without any judgement at all bro!

[Iron adam]

As I said on Mike's post from a while back, the majority of us would prefer that you both stick around. Obviously, you both have to do whatever is best for each of you. We all appreciate everything you guys have done over the years. Whether it was mentorship, friendship, or just providing us with this community, you guys have both had a significant impact on many of our lives.

As for the finances, while I wont pretend to know how to make things definitively better, I do think there are some things we could try that have low risk. The donor shop could use a refresh, and I think we could have some more ultra rare sales. The ultra rare sales were received well by the majority of the community. Obviously increasing our player base would indirectly lead to more donations, so development in general would help. I also think there is still free advertising that we are missing out on by not allowing ironmen to get voting rewards.

I also agree about Project Zanaris. I think a lot of people are completely overestimating the things that community developers will be able to do. Jagex clearly wants a high level of control and isn't going to just give unlimited access to code. RSPS became big for two main reasons: unlimited customization and having all P2P content for free/fast. I still see those as the main drivers for anyone who doesn't want to play OSRS.

Lastly, I have heard it said that we have people who could carry the server forward but they haven't been given the ability to do so. This is undoubtedly true, and I believe this is where we should focus our attention. So although I'm not currently looking to get "active" again myself, I do still want to look into what steps we can take to set PkHonor free. Seeing this server and its community stay alive for a long time to come is the best legacy I could hope for.

I think all we need is a system where developers can release updates without there being a singular bottleneck. Keeping a peer review system should be enough to maintain a high enough level of quality.

I hope things get better for you #soon

[Rapsey]

I think all we need is a system where developers can release updates without there being a singular bottleneck. Keeping a peer review system should be enough to maintain a high enough level of quality.

The good news is that I had already made significant progress on making this a reality before I went dark. In fact most of the really complicated stuff is already done, what remains mostly consists of additional implementation, setup and testing. I've resumed work on it and will do my best to wrap it up.

I don't think it's worth making an elaborate peer review system for this though. The plan is to have a simple tiered access system in which devs with sufficient experience have the ability to push out updates, so they can review and release the work of those who don't. But that's probably what you meant with peer review.

[Jumping bug]

Wishing and praying that this year is better for you Rapsey. Thank you for giving us an update. I know there's so many dedicated players that are eager to help in a wide variety of ways to keep Pkhonor going and I am glad that you and Mike are open to different options on how players can be more involved.

[Rapsey]

Quick update: been working hard to finish the dev system since I posted this topic. It's been rough (70-80h workweeks) but progress has been steady and it's nearing completion. I hope to get it into their hands by week's end. The initial release will essentially be feature-complete except for the ability to release the updates themselves. The system can already do it, it's just a matter of creating an interface to allow them to trigger it, and add ways for them to get feedback from the live server (logs, process output, ...). I deliberately kept this until last because it seemed like the logical order to do things, and so that we can verify the robustness and reliability of the new system before we start doing releases without me present.

I don't plan on making any big announcements when it's ready, as it seems unfair to put pressure on the devs to deliver something with it (especially after my own lengthy inactivity). But anyway, I'm really pleased with my creation and I just wanted to let you all know that it's still on track and I didn't just disappear again after posting this. Thank you for your patience. Stay tuned.

[Jumping bug]

Way to go Rapsey!

[Lykos]

Quick update: been working hard to finish the dev system since I posted this topic. It's been rough (70-80h workweeks) but progress has been steady and it's nearing completion. I hope to get it into their hands by week's end. The initial release will essentially be feature-complete except for the ability to release the updates themselves. The system can already do it, it's just a matter of creating an interface to allow them to trigger it, and add ways for them to get feedback from the live server (logs, process output, ...). I deliberately kept this until last because it seemed like the logical order to do things, and so that we can verify the robustness and reliability of the new system before we start doing releases without me present.

I don't plan on making any big announcements when it's ready, as it seems unfair to put pressure on the devs to deliver something with it (especially after my own lengthy inactivity). But anyway, I'm really pleased with my creation and I just wanted to let you all know that it's still on track and I didn't just disappear again after posting this. Thank you for your patience. Stay tuned.

Common Rapsey W